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The
Persuasion
Game

Discover the secrets of persuasion and how it shapes consumer behaviour, fuels business growth, and sharpens marketing skills. Join Laura Halliday, Adam Rowles and Simon Garnett from The Forge in each episode as they chat with marketers, business leaders and beyond to learn how they use persuasion to influence their consumers, convince their stakeholders and drive their businesses forward. Learn the tactics, stories, and strategies that will help you become a more effective marketer and business leader.

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Breaking the category rules

Imme Ermgassen, Co-Founder, Botivo
In this podcast episode, hosts Adam and Laura engage in a lively conversation with Imme Ermgassen, co-founder of Botivo, a non-alcoholic, “big sipping” aperitivo. They discuss Imme’s unique approach to brand building including breaking the non-alcoholic beverage category rules by creating a hedonistic, pleasure-focused product. She the challenges Botivo has faced in educating consumers and category buyers and the tactics she has used to create awareness and drive trial. This is a fascinating discussion with a visionary entrepreneur and brand-builder at the top of their game.

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Combatting boring sustainability stories

Joss Ford, Founder, Enviral
In this insightful episode, hosts Laura and Simon discuss sustainability with Joss Ford, founder of Enviral, a communications agency dedicated to combatting boring sustainability stories. Joss shares his journey into sustainability, the challenges of effectively communicating it, and the importance of integrating it into business strategies.  They explore the dynamics within NGOs and corporations, the balance between progress and perfection, and the impact of engaging creative approaches. The conversation also touches on the importance of addressing absolutist positions and fostering collaboration for meaningful change in the sustainability landscape.

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What strategy can teach us about Christmas

Laura & Adam, Co-hosts, The Persuasion Game
In this festive episode of The Persuasion Game, co-hosts Laura and Adam embark on a Christmas special where they tackle some common festive dilemmas but with a twist - they’ll be using marketing insights from past guests.  Drawing on their discussions with previous pod guests Jane Buck, Grant Mckenzie, Paul Thomas, Katie Evans, Nick Graham and Alex O’Rourke they explore family traditions, gifting, creating an inclusive holiday atmosphere and more. Packed with practical advice, heartwarming stories, and festive cheer, this episode offers valuable tips on leveraging persuasion techniques for a joyful and harmonious Christmas.

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Breaking through in innovation

Jane Buck, Global Head of Innovation, Cadbury
Jane is a seasoned expert in innovation with an extensive background at major brands including Mondelez and Unilever where she launched and scaled the €1BN+ personal care brand Love Beauty & Planet. Jane discusses her unique approach to brand development, explaining how she integrates consumer insights with visionary thinking to drive innovation, how she spots patterns and opportunities, and the importance of balancing short-term actions with long-term vision in corporate settings. The conversation also covers her time co-founding and launching natural skincare brand REN which Unilever eventually acquired.

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Bringing modernity to iconic brands: Lessons from PepsiCo and Mondelēz

Nick Graham – ex-Global Head Insights & Analytics – Mondelēz
Nick shares his expertise on how iconic brands like Pepsi and Cadbury have adapted their strategies to stay relevant in a fast-changing world. They explore the power of nostalgia, storytelling, and emotional connection in creating meaningful campaigns that resonate with audiences.

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Marketing a challenger brand

Katie Evans – CMO – Burger King UK
In this episode, CMO Katie Evans shares how Burger King UK behaves like a challenger brand to create maximum impact with its communications versus its competitors with much larger media budgets. And she reflects on Burger King UK’s latest campaign ‘Bundles of Joy' which featured mums eating Burger King after birth - where the online conversation took on a life of its own.

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Playing the innovation long game

Grant McKenzie – Ex-CMO – Asahi
In this episode, Ex-Asahi CMO Grant McKenzie talks us through the challenges he faced bringing non-alcoholic beer to market. As much an internal persuasion job as it was a consumer behaviour challenge, Grant spent 7 years making it happen. This is a must-listen for anyone working in innovation or trying to land a new strategy.

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Unlocking your potential

Alex O’Rourke – Co-Founder – LockSmith
Simon and Laura are joined by Alex O'Rourke, co-founder of Locksmith and experienced marketer. Together, they explore the challenges and strategies of self-promotion and navigating societal barriers as a woman in the workplace. Alex shares her knowledge as a transformational life coach and delves into issues including the importance of creating a personal narrative. 

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Marketing premium spirits

Paul Thomas – International Insight Director – Suntory International
Simon and Laura are joined by Paul Thomas, International Insight Director and Global Head of Shopper Insight at Suntory who shares insights on the evolving premium spirits category and the consumer motivations behind alcohol purchasing decisions. Paul also shares insights on consumer planning, luxury goods spending, and brand marketing strategies. 

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